Posts by Irish Dame

i have been reading this site for some time now and have been very unhappy with some of the things emanating from watchtower head quarters in new york.

the final straw for me is the upcoming watchtower study this weekend encouraging us to shun our own family members (our own mothers if need be) if they are disfellowshipped....a step too far for my liking.

Irish Dame

Welcome to the forum WFWR! Look forward to reading your replies from wt org.

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Lets hear what your local needs was about this week

by dbq407 in

ours started out with matt.

25:23. he brought out that "good and faithful slave" was talking about the anointed but wait for it.........yes the principle can be applied to our cong.

well tonight it was about getting all the territories worked once a year.

Irish Dame

Thank you dbq407 for this post. I listened on phone line just to hear local needs. It was the most negative talk I have ever heard. Essentially, it sounded like a sales meeting by a very disappointed, shaming sales manager reaming out his unproductive sales force. It was about low publisher hours over the last few months. He started with Heb 6: 11,12. He reminded cong that just a few months ago CO had LOVINGLY asked them to think about this scripture where it said we don't want you to become SLUGGISH regarding ministry. He went on to define sluggish. Then said, "Now, nobody wants to be thought of as a SLUG right?" Hours were WAY down in March from when CO spoke a few months prior. He spewed out monthly hour averages, trend isn't up; it's down-if we were looking at it on a graph, and congregation has lowest hours in circuit. The FAITHFUL SLAVE asked us to set a goal to talk to every person in our territory during the month of March. What we accomplished during our memorial campaign was about the poorest we've done for completing the territories, getting the people around. His positive points were: after CO visit some fs groups had better support and there were large number of auxiliary pioneers, but those numbers don't count in cong average hours. He then spoke about things that could be distracting from ministry. Next scripture, Luke 21:28 & 3428 ...."deliverance getting near.” 34 ...."ANXIETIES of life, and suddenly that day be instantly upon you". Of course he didn't read verse 32, "generation will by no means pass away"...Next, he cherry picked a scripture that doesn't even apply to, as he said, "Jehovah deserves our best as described at Luke 13: 24"---"EXERT yourselves vigorously.... narrow door...."?? We STRUGGLE to be out in the ministry. So friends, you can do it, we can all do it together. We can EXERT ourselves in the field ministry.

It's no wonder there is so much depression, sadness and anxiety amongst "the happiest, most loving people on earth"

The COBE. who has lead the congregation into the ground by being aloof and unloving, didn't give the talk. He assigned to one of his minions, a young elder. It was a shaming meeting. Not delivered to inspire.

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Why are witnesses all so highly stressed?

by stuckinarut2 in

witnesses are so anxious, stressed, highly strung..... so much for ones who are supposed to be "the happiest people"..... thoughts?.

Irish Dame

They are constantly being told to do more, do more! They're compared to fictitious others who have the worse possible health, family or financial situations yet manage to pioneer. Example, if the sister in the iron lung can pioneer, why can't you? If there actually is someone in congregation or circuit who really has had very bad things happen to them they will be repeatedly interviewed to guilt others into doing more. The carrot of "the end is coming, soon, very soon" is constantly dangled in front of them. If you want to see your dead loved ones again you must serve the organization! No wonder they're anxious and depressed!

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Hard to Remember but Back in the Ninteen Fifies...

by new boy in

jw
friends

my writing a book about my strange life as a jw.

i need some help.. does anyone remember when they used to get these charts out at the service meetings which had all the hours, "back calls" and bible studies on it?

what did they call that?.

Irish Dame

I remember as a young child hearing the announcement that a person was disfellowshipped for fornication. I didn't even know what fornication was at the time. I remember the skits on the stage in which sisters were allowed to act out an opportunity to 'incidental' witness, which was later changed to 'informal' witnessing, because it "shouldn't be an afterthought, which incidental implies....the end is so close....must actively engage people in lifesaving discussions". The piano playing was always...entertaining....when the regular piano player wasn't there.

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Japanese sister woke up with this Watchtower article !

by nakanozzi in

a japanese sister who recently woke up revealed me that she became extremely suspicious about the organization after reading watchtower article .oct.15 2015page31.

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Irish Dame

Wonderful news about the sister waking up! Thanks for sharing, nakanozzi!

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Under WT rules, can JW women file for a divorce? Or can only men file?

by JimmyPage in

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friends

the reason i ask is because while watching the "dateline" episode about ralph candelario, the claim was made that only jw men could file for divorce, not women.

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i had never thought about this before.. also, how does this apply in cases where a husband is "apostate" while the wife is faithful to wt?

Irish Dame

My relative was df'ed for one 'indiscretion'. His wife 'forgave' him which in JW-land means she no longer had scriptural grounds for divorce. A few weeks later, she told him she was divorcing him anyway. Three months after my relative was df'ed, he hung himself. Well, now his wife was free! Six weeks after he hung himself his 'grieving' widow announced on Facebook she was in a relationship and named the JW man. Three months after her husband hung himself she married the JW man she had been dating while still married to my relative. This woman and this man, who was dating a married woman, are in good standing in the congregation neither are being shunned. Sometimes, depending on who you know in JW org, example : if your daddy is an elder you can do as you please.

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Three elders show up "to encourage me" after 10 years!

by Wasanelder Once in

"hey brother wasa, come on back to the meetings.

" (after 10 years) so i respond that the situation with pedophiles is out of hand.

they tell me "we" elders have received tons of training on the subject, its not like it was 10 years ago.

Irish Dame

I've not been to kh for a year and have had two phone calls in less than a week. Two elders want to talk to me about my last conversation with one of them a month ago. I have sooo moved on. The message he left said I should call him. Yeah, that's not going to happen!

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The Elders of the congregations make for the worst possible "shepards".

by Dunedain in

the main goal of a shepard, is to keep the flock as safe as possible.

the loss of just a single sheep, could be devastating to a flock, and a shepards financial well being.

every sheep is valuable, from a monetary stanpoint, and future strength of the flock.

Irish Dame

"Jehovah's Witnesses tell elders they're "Company Men!"" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/nmtPxhpBx1s
This was recorded at one of the Schools for Christian Couples in 2014
@ 27.15 You are Company Men

Thank you Dunedain for this thread.